Occupy Wall St---I warned you, didn't I?

[Inchante]

Wow, with all the flaming and name calling in this thread, I don't think anyone has answered a basic question I have. What do these people, who are protesting in many cities in the United States, hope to accomplish? I don't understand their message, maybe I'm just slow, but what are they trying to say? As I understand it, the purpose of protest is to get your message out to tha majority, well we in the majority do not get the message of the occupiers, which may explain why nobody cares about them.
Richard

Well, if you want a summation of what the protesters want, it is a change in the fundamental systems and culture which promotes greed over social well-being. While such structures are not universal through out our society or western society at large, the fact that greed has trumped the greater good for a long time in many areas is undeniable. It can be seen in the nefarious lending practices that dominated the 2000's, the selfish interests of Wall St. brokers like Bernie Madoff, and the heavily weighted tax system which allows many major companies to establish tax havens in places like the Cayman Islands. I should think that all these things are self-evident. They have existed in some form or another for a very long time. All this is not to say, that the protesters are all socialist--some are but the more level headed of them are actually seeking to establish a higher code of ethics when it comes to pecuniary matters.

I hope that helps.

[ardus]

Well, if you want a summation of what the protesters want, it is a change in the fundamental systems and culture which promotes greed over social well-being. While such structures are not universal through out our society or western society at large, the fact that greed has trumped the greater good for a long time in many areas is undeniable. It can be seen in the nefarious lending practices that dominated the 2000's, the selfish interests of Wall St. brokers like Bernie Madoff, and the heavily weighted tax system which allows many major companies to establish tax havens in places like the Cayman Islands. I should think that all these things are self-evident. They have existed in some form or another for a very long time. All this is not to say, that the protesters are all socialist--some are but the more level headed of them are actually seeking to establish a higher code of ethics when it comes to pecuniary matters.

I hope that helps.

Ok, that helps, for understanding what people want. But my other question is this, how does the protest help bring this about? I'm not trying to be stubborn or rude I simply don't understand what the people who are protesting hope to accomplish.
Richard

[WesHollywood]

You're dead to me.

Ooooooooo............ Cocktails Baccarat table please.

[WesHollywood]

The summary is, I think you are wrong.

If dissection posts ramble it is only because the posts they dissect ramble. I am sorry that you appear unable to properly understand written English and debate in a meaningful manner.


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[WesHollywood]

Wow, with all the flaming and name calling in this thread, I don't think anyone has answered a basic question I have. What do these people, who are protesting in many cities in the United States, hope to accomplish? I don't understand their message, maybe I'm just slow, but what are they trying to say? As I understand it, the purpose of protest is to get your message out to tha majority, well we in the majority do not get the message of the occupiers, which may explain why nobody cares about them.
Richard

From what I have seen there seem to be two dominant issues.

1). People are ANGRY that the system is not working for them after they have followed the rules.

2). 2008 was the biggest financial scandal in American history. Democrats controlled Congress and the White House. There was not a single hearing, and no one went to jail.

[Inchante]

Ok, that helps, for understanding what people want. But my other question is this, how does the protest help bring this about? I'm not trying to be stubborn or rude I simply don't understand what the people who are protesting hope to accomplish.
Richard

Well, historically, protests have tended to bring social issues to the larger public sphere of debate. Not always, but often enough to be encouraging, protests have been instrumental in creating change in the public psyche which can lead to change in governmental policy and law. Women's suffrage, the gay rights movement, and the civil rights movement are excellence examples of how raising public awareness on a topic can change the minds of the public on certain issues.

[Inchante]

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“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”-Plato

[WesHollywood]

“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”-Plato

Interesting take on the issue. I come back to the alternatives of losing your job and your home. What choices do we really have continue to fight the struggle to survive, or just give up and become a victim? Survival is one strong instinct. I read somewhere once that even cancer patients with limited life expectancy continue to fight on even when they know logically that they do not have a chance.

I was encouraged by the words of the wife of 2004 Presidential candidate John Edwards. She had cancer, but had a lot of political type issues she wanted to work on. While her husband cheated on her as she battled cancer, she said she was just going to keep trying until she died, and she did right up to the moment of her death.

Occupy Wall Street and the 99ers seem to have the same strong motivation. In some form or another they will change our gridlocked economy and government.

The late Elizabeth Edwards. We are GLBT, we survive because we do not have a choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Edwards

http://community.cbs47.tv/blogs/kenmallo...35722.aspx

[Inchante]

Interesting take on the issue.

That particular post did not concern the Occupy Wall St. movement.

[WesHollywood]

That particular post did not concern the Occupy Wall St. movement.

Then what is it doing in this thread?

Never mind, I was just impressed with your take and how it relates to Occupy Wall Street coupled with the courage of Elizabeth Edwards. That is really my point.

We are GLBT, we are born into one of the toughest lifestyles around, but in the end we are some of the strongest bastards on the planet. Even I continue to be amazed at the power we have accumulated at some of the highest levels of power on the planet, possibly including your very own Plato. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/1979boswell.asp

"Homosexuality," Plato wrote, "is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce."

This turned out to be a good post, but credit must be given to my 47 year old mentor for the Plato quote.