Updates from awhile back...

[Iceblink]

No matter what actions and words the person may expressed before passing out, an unconscious person cannot consent to sex. No matter what, there is never consent by a person who has passed out. There are many straight men out there that have found this out too late. "He had no idea, he was out." I see absolutely no consent in that statement. If this got out in his community, the OP could find himself in trouble.

[mnguy18]

Yes, i fucked up, i fucked up really bad. I dont know what in gods name i was thinking. I never do things like that, i dont know why the fuck i did, and i hate myself for it. A lot.

[Anocxu]

No more drunken nights with your best friend for starters...

[Virge]

you know how I am. I'm always going to try to find another angle on things. I can't stop thinking about some of my own experiences that are similar to what mnguy has gone through. I bet if some of you guys with more experience than me think back you'll see times in your life that were a lot like what he's gone through.

There have been four times in the past five years I was in a drunk situation with straight guys that got messy. All of them started as just being good friends who were ok about me being gay. The fact that each of them said they were was great for me and I wasn't tuned in on where things were leading at first. It wasn't me trying to seduce them by getting them drunk. It was them using getting drunk as an excuse to experiment.

The first one was a guy named Mike when I was in small rental house right after I moved back here. I hadn't been there but about a month and got to know this guy from the gym. He came over drinking on week nights and it was no big deal. All I had for furniture was the basics, one couch two chairs a small table and one bed. One night he was way too drunk to drive so I made him sleep on the couch. Every time I was about asleep on my bed I'd hear him moving and be wide awake. He got up to use the bathroom and I saw he was totally naked and hard but I didn't let on I was awake. Then he crept in to get on my bed and woke me up to say the couch was uncomfortable. I got to one side and let him have the other. That guy had the whole bed moving jacking off. ..and I knew then he was expecting me to make a move. I finally went to the couch and gave him my bed. I woke up around dawn with him rubbing on me. He said he wanted to try it. I wasn't even thinking about it and told him he needed to go home. He didn't take that well and left pissed. He quit the gym and when I'd see him around town he'd either ignore me or act like an ass. Once Ray moved up here this guy picked a fight with Ray in a bar and called him a fag. Ray didn't even know who the guy was and let him throw the first punch before finishing the mess.

Fast forward a year a gay guy here in town runs up on me and starts telling me all about getting this guy in bed --- the same way he'd tried to get me to do it with him. They'd gotten drunk, Mike was too drunk to drive home, got naked and climbed in bed with the gay guy. When ti was all over Mike told him he was glad to finally have done it and find out for sure he wasn't gay --- and said he'd tried to get me to do it with him but I was too stuck up about it.

The worst one was a USAF pilot -- a true stud who called to ask for me to let him stay over for a weekend while his room mate had his fiance there. Jay was here and so was Ray. We all sat around drinking after going out. Jay and I woke up with the guy jumping in bed between us!!! He said he'd always wanted to do it with guys to find out for sure if he was gay or not but never got up the nerve. He expected to fuck one or both of us but that wasn't going to happen so we jerked him off and let him play with us. After that he said he was relieved to finally have gotten that out of the way and be sure he wasn't gay. He went back to his bedroom, dressed and went back on base. He must have figured we'd get around to telling Ray about it so he caught with him the next day and told how we'd gotten him drunk then jerked him off while he was asleep..... That was some hard shit for me to let slide and not huff up about.

by the time the other two incidents came up I was wise to the game and stayed up all night after I got them in bed playing on the computer. Both of them got up to strut around in whitie tighties with half hard dicks to try to pester me into being interested.

After talking about all this with other gay guys most of them laugh about it and tell me stories about straight guys doing the same things with them. Always getting too drunk to drive, always making up some excuse to either walk around in underwear or just getting bold and jumping in bed to get layed. All of them ended up saying it was because they drank too much... ..

I know if I've run into this same routine so many times in just a few years there's got to be some of you guys who've had the same thing happen with straight guys.

[MikeW]

Yes, Virge, in my youth I had a few similar experiences. Lets face it, men -- especially young ones -- are horny creatures a lot of the time. And we all know the "gay" "straight" divide is more of a continuum -- at least for some. Alcohol is often used as an excuse for engaging in otherwise inhibited behavior they don't want to admit they're curious about. I'm of the opinion that if there weren't such a social stigma or taboo against male/male sexual activity, we'd see a lot more of it going on, even between men who are predominantly straight.

[Anocxu]

I had one of my married straight bffs was begging me for a BJ after hanging out at a club...

He didn't have any money..so I was like..
"Hell no!!"

[Iceblink]

Yes Virge, I think many of us have had those kind of experiences of a so-called straight guy trying to have sex with us, but in your stories there is still one huge difference the story of the OP. I can remember a time in college when I went out with a gay friend and his new boyfriend and the boyfriend's straight roommate to a college bar. We all got drunk and went back to the two guy's dorm room and drank more and my friend and I decided to crash at their small dorm room, so small that the straight roommate said I could share his bed. I think you can probably all figure out where this went and he was the one who initiated. The guys might have been drunk in the experiences you described and in mine, but there was still consent in those stories. There was not consent by the guy in the OP's story. He was passed out. That is a big difference.

[Virge]

Yes, Virge, in my youth I had a few similar experiences. Lets face it, men -- especially young ones -- are horny creatures a lot of the time. And we all know the "gay" "straight" divide is more of a continuum -- at least for some. Alcohol is often used as an excuse for engaging in otherwise inhibited behavior they don't want to admit they're curious about. I'm of the opinion that if there weren't such a social stigma or taboo against male/male sexual activity, we'd see a lot more of it going on, even between men who are predominantly straight.

Thanks for that MikeW. I think you 're right about all you said.

[Virge]

There was not consent by the guy in the OP's story. He was passed out. That is a big difference.

Was he passed out? We don't know that for sure, do we? The only word is from mnguy who was drunk, that his friend was passed out. For all we know Mnguy's friend could have been pretending to be passed out.

Then I have all sorts of questions about this idea that two people can get equally drunk and only one of them is held responsible for his actions while drunk.

[Iceblink]

Was he passed out? We don't know that for sure, do we? The only word is from mnguy who was drunk, that his friend was passed out. For all we know Mnguy's friend could have been pretending to be passed out.

Then I have all sorts of questions about this idea that two people can get equally drunk and only one of them is held responsible for his actions while drunk.

It's not about being drunk. Drunk people can give consent and do it all the time. It is about someone being unconscious and guessing that they may be pretending to be passed out is just that, a guess. If someone appears to be passed out, in this case of maybe he is or maybe he isn't, you need to err on the side that he is until you know for sure.