I hope I live to see the day when "fem" is cool. Outstanding people are so brave. I think it's the fact that they are different, not fem, that rankles. And it is natural for many of us. If we can't be pro-diversity, who can? I find some fem guys paralyzingly attractive.
Me, somewhere in the middle, confusing the passing pirhanas
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im actually attracted to both but seeing this i probably will be lonely for the rest of my life
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I have Effeminate friends....love them dearly. However i'm not attracted to them whatsoever.
Mick
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No problem with effeminate guys. Bitchy gossipy queens I do have a problem with, but I hate bitchiness and gossiping in general. In fact I find a little bit of femininity in guys can make them cute and attractive. And some guys were just designed for crossdressing. 
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Sil Wrote:heh  it's funny, I see a lot of young guys now, myself included, who fall into a kind of middle ground.
We grew up with the internet, games consoles, lived a straight lifestyle, but liked guys more than girls - "guys who like videogames and cock" as me and my ex once said. The stereotypes seem to be breaking down ever so slightly.
We're not tough (well I'm not anyway) but not really effeminite; I don't think I'd ever call myself masculine, but really flaming guys almost intimidate me a little bit ^^ just so much confidence. In terms of preference I'd pick a masculine looking guy nearly every time.
Sil, I totally agree with you here. I was never the effeminate guy that was like the "stereotypical" gay guy, that liked showtunes, Barbara Streisand, and Bette Midler. While I have to clarify, I don't judge those that do, but I don't appreciate it. I, like you, Sil I grew up in a suburban household where I played video games, listened to heavy metal music, and like reading novels and watched the history channel. On top of all that, I was attracted to masculine and 'cute' guys. Although behind closed doors, I'm quite passive and feminine around those guys. On the other hand I feel like while I am intensely turned on by masculine men, it doesn't change what I like to do for hobbies.
I don't think it's about hate or dislike, it's just about that the stereotype of 'male' and 'female' is so engrained in the gender roles and constructs that are supposed to pigeon hole people, gay or straight. The real freedom is to break out and be as we are. 
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Flaming guys sort of intimidate me too. I'm jealous of their confidence.
I've never fit in with most gay guys. I don't sound gay, but I hate sports. I'm just sort of in-between.
When I was about 20 I met this guy who was about 10 years older than me. He was really cute, and even ran a farm. He even worked on a line in a plant making engines. I really liked him, but then he told me he had 6 older brothers, all straight, and was a virgin until he was 27. I had a feeling he all his life he knew what he was but tried to compensate by doing all these manly things. Also, he had an obvious drinking problem.
It wasn't until I went to a party with him I saw his true colors. Watching him drunk backing his ass up on any guy nearby killed it for me. It wasn't long before I found out from other guys there that he was a bottom, exclusively.
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We are such a diverse group , each to their own . I dont fancy fem guys , am attracted to strong masculine types . I would say I am not camp or camp acting , I am proud to be a man , and no way would i even consider dressing up in drag because I just wouldnt feel comfortable at all .
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i dont see myself as feminine but some of my friends do.
i think its just the fact that i say im gay even though i dont really act like it.
infact i have some anger "issues"if you will and have also won my fair share of fights,
but anyways, i am not against efeminates, my bf is kinda feminine, and although
you guys think they give ppl the wrong impression, i know for a fact that if someone doesnt like someone or somthing, they will hate them for whatever reason they can find.
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I like to consider myself a fem, thats why most guys don't like me as much cause i'm too friendly too outgoing crazy happy bubbly and all, but you know i also believe that a man is a man no matter how he acts.
Fem's just seem more sensitive.
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My friends call me a femmy gay although I don't do it on purpose :/ (I know guys who do it on purpose often are the object of anger because most people think they do it for attention) I'm not too stereotypically gay luckily. I do like Lady Gaga, and almost every other pop artist, but I'm also a fan of all genres, I play video games XD, I do not care for fashion, and uh I can't think of anymoer xD
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masculines vs effeminates? =S =S
