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  dance
Posted by: pellaz - 05-18-2012, 05:11 PM - Forum: Movies - No Replies

Dance; gay romance vid:
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linky to video


http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/dance-g....html#more

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  Why is the Hunger Games popular?
Posted by: Pix - 05-18-2012, 10:55 AM - Forum: Movies - Replies (1)

Did anyone see the Hunger Games? My girl says nearly all the girls in school are now in love with Josh Hutcherson over his role as Peeta. I got dragged to this movie but after seeing it I very much appreciated it. (That is to say I very much enjoyed it myself even though I didn't think I would.)

But anyway I came across this article that reflected on why the movie was so popular among teens, and there were some comments that seemed insightful as well:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdrobert...ar-part-2/

It gives plenty of possible reasons, but these 2 seemed the most likely (or at least intriguing) to me:

Quote:The answer, I believe, lies in the congruence between the world of The Hunger Games and the world we adults in America have created for our teenagers. Not only have they been substantially abandoned by us, so that they feel alienated, but also they are literally caught in a cruel game that pits them against each other. No, I’m not thinking of the usual adolescent conflicts that have been around for ages. Rather, I’m thinking of the battle among teenagers to be successful, to win, to be not just their best, but better than their peers, including their friends.

This battle often begins on athletic fields or in dance studios as parents drive their young children to win, even at great cost to their emotional health. The battle is brutally evident among teenagers in the most contested game of all . . . getting into a great college.

If this seems silly, allow me to defend what I’m saying here. I know of which I speak because I have a freshman in college and a daughter who is a junior in high school. I’ve watched the pressure my own children have had to live with since they were in elementary school. I’ve seen how they must compete with their peers, and often against their best friends, for success that will someday lead to the most prized success of all . . . getting into a great college and, if possible, with a fine scholarship

It's not just that. Someone pointed out an ep of Toddlers & Tiaras to me that was just sad...the little girl didn't even seem to understand what was going on just that her mom went into hysterics if she messed up in a beauty pageant because she had to be THE BEST. (I thought the mom needed psychiatric care.)

And I can also think on how our jocks are often given very special treatment just as the gladiator kids in the Hunger Games were as well. And it also seems distressingly common to me that parents of little kids on sports team are actually more brutal and passionate (and even violent) than the kids themselves who sometimes seem to understand far better than the adults that it's just a game.

Quote:And where did this game come from? Did teenagers invent it to torture each other? Hardly. It’s a creation of the adult world, the world of hyperactive tiger moms, the world of dads who demand athletic prowess from their children to stoke their own egos, the world of colleges competing with each other for top ranking (and therefore money, reputation, and influence). The college game has almost nothing to do with helping young people become moral, well-balanced, healthy, spiritual, and well-educated. Rather, it has to do with parental egos and the cutthroat business of education, not the business of educating students, but the business of building financially successful academic institutions. (If you’re looking for documentation of the claims I am making here, I would highly recommend Crazy U: One Dad’s Crash Course in Getting His Kid Into College by Andrew Ferguson. This very funny and, at times, very chilling book reveals in detail the craziness of the game into which we draft our teenagers.)

The competition among teenagers to get into college epitomizes what they have experienced in so many other settings throughout their lives. The adults who have the power over them demand that they compete, often against their friends, for the sake of the adults’ own benefit (pride, success, bragging rights, etc.). We force our children into the game whether they want to go or not. We provide all sorts of preparation and prettying up so our kids will be successful. And we laud the few who win the game. In the process, our children can feel used, pressured, desperate, lost, alone, starved, hurt, and as if they are fighting for their very lives. Hmmm. Sounds a lot like The Hunger Games

Of course I realize that not all teenagers are shooting for the top colleges. But even those who are not competing at this level still feel the demands of the game, not to mention the sense of failure when they don’t live up to the expectations of the adults who control their lives. So, even though Katniss Everdeen is hard and remote, teenagers relate to her. They feel her pain, if you will. They relate to her experience of being trapped in a world that makes unfair demands upon her. They connect to her desire to break away and be free. They suffer with her as she is forced to conform to adult expectations. They feel her desperation as she is forced into a competition she didn’t and wouldn’t choose for herself (except to save her sister’s life). Thus, young adults connect with Katniss in spite of, or perhaps because of, her depressed stoicism. Take this sense of connection with Katniss and her cohort, throw in action, mystery, danger, surprise, interesting characters, and a bit of love, and you have a formula that will sell millions of books and millions of movie tickets

I thought plenty of the comments that followed were also worth reading.

Yet as interesting as I find this, and as much as the article and comments made a lot of sense, it doesn't seem to be a complete picture. For example, I liked it a lot (while not a favorite I'm looking forward to getting it on dvd and I'm not a big dvd collector, and I also mean to read the book) yet I wasn't pushed to be competitive by anyone. My parents were neglectful, Granny was easy going and other relatives just expected I'd get married someday and be a housewife, and school faculty tended to be happiest when I was quiet (so I was allowed to read and write when I quickly finished the assignments which most others weren't allowed to do on the unspoken agreement that I didn't ask the teacher questions). It's true that I feel unfair demands were made of me by the schools and court system but not as described in that article. Yet I still related (perhaps there was enough of my life not being my own when I was a kid to count, I lived with my mom who was about as useless as Katniss's own mother, Katniss's & Peeta's sponsor Haymitch reminded me of Dad in both good and bad ways, I've had dreams of being chased by fires since I was 5, including forest fires, and when I entered dangerous situations, such as a runaway living on the streets or imprisoned in a hellish teen gulag passing itself off as a mental hospital, I faced evil and/or violent characters among both adults and other kids trapped in the same sitch while forging deep if short-lived friendships and desperate alliances with other kids in the same boat as me, many of whom didn't expect to live to see adulthood, along with a couple of adults who had no real power but sources of great advice and dire warnings). When I was 17-18 living off the grid I did some hunting and learned all kinds of nifty survival and combat skills (including archery) among those who feared and/or hated the government similar to District 12 so maybe that helped me to relate to it, too. And if I have different reasons for liking it as much as I did then maybe many others who love it (even those who are obsessed with it) have different reasons as well.

And I also can't ignore that Harry Potter featured many adults that tried as hard as they could to protect Harry (and the other kids) from those who preyed on them, and while the kids had to fight it was because the many protective adults couldn't prevent it (Harry and friends even WANTED to compete in deadly games, particularly the Triwizard Tournament, and enter mortal combat and usually had to evade their adult guardians to do so), and even so those adults were still depended on more often than not, yet this appealed to kids as well (granted, the books took a sinister turn later on but it achieved its popularity well before that happened). And Twilight...with the caveat that I've only read the first book the impression I got was a desire by the author & target audience to never grow up, to have some powerful figures look out for you in a dangerous world even if one had to accept the guardians being extremely controlling (and even a little menacing, but that fits with how many children experience parents). I'll grant that Bella takes care of her father (but then plenty of kids have to step up and help carry dysfunctional parents they'd prefer to escape), but she still seems more the girl than woman to me and she's wanting to be rescued from that (if anything she seems to want even less autonomy than more). The vampires, including Edward, have more of a parent-child relationship with Bella than Bella does with her dad. At least that's my observation, though my memories are kinda vague on it now.

Now it could be just different tastes, like some women swoon over the alpha males in Gone with the Wind and Princess Bride while others prefer the sweet men in Ever After, Enchanted, and Stardust, so it would be no surprise that teen girls are the same (those preferring alphas would go for Jacob or Edward while those wanting someone sweet would go for Peeta). Yet if nearly all the girls at the local school is in love with Peeta then that means many who love the Hunger Games also loved Twilight and/or Harry Potter as well (and that would seem to clash with what the article states that kids relate to).

But then maybe a bowl of fruit is just a bowl of fruit and the reason for the popularity are the fab abs of the guys involved (that is perhaps any boy--or man--cute enough is transformed from "stalker" to "romantic" or "psycho jerk" to "manly" or "spineless" to "sweet"). That is to say maybe the article I linked to is just mental masturbation skillfully done but no more accurate than reading meanings from clouds and ink blots and what really appeals to the target audience (and makes a movie popular) is eye candy spiced up with some emotional drama (of course the claims could still be true of some viewers, but not necessarily enough to justify generalizing the teen demographic).

OTOH, maybe the enjoyment of different fandoms comes from approaching them each in a different way so that while they seem contradictory it's more that these different stories appeal to different and conflicting desires and varying circumstances most everyone experiences to one degree or another (perhaps with some peer pressure thrown in, with "eye candy" again once it's on screen).

I'd be curious what others thought of the article. My above thoughts are my first impressions so obviously I'm not sure what to think yet and maybe someone else's perspective or insights might help or inspire me to ultimately decide what I think about this.

And are boys really avoiding this movie? I know this series was aimed at teen girls but I'd think boys would love this. (I wonder if many do but just won't admit to liking "chick lit/flick." My girl says the boys don't complain anywhere as much taking girls to see it as they did over Twilight anyway...)

I'd also be curious what members of GS thought of this flick, even if it's just to say you liked it only because Josh Hutcherson was in it. Wink

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  Bullying isn't dangerous?
Posted by: dfiant - 05-16-2012, 08:44 AM - Forum: World-News-Forum - Replies (9)

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2012...-news.html

A recent incident on the Gold Coast. A 17 year old boy who had been bullied for most of his school life has confronted one of his bullies with tragic results.

I feel for the bully victim who couldn't control his emotions, his raw anger, and now he is in a situation where he is to spend time in a 'real' prison after being a prisoner to bullies for over a decade.

The guy that was stabbed is one of the root causes for the bully victims outrage.

BUT bullying isn't dangerous, it a rite of passage, it will toughen a young man up.

I really feel for this kid and wish I could just hug him because of the pain he has suffered, and will continue to suffer while those who have drawn the kid to this devestating incident go on rosey and cheery in their own lives.

I feel no sympathy for the stabbed bully, tough and cold I know, but I have had 2 teeth broken, amongst numerous other physical and psycological injuries, because of bullying when I was a kid and I know where the rage comes from and I understand how tough it is to control that rage. Bullies are the scum of the earth and deserve all the tough times they get.

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  HELP,, Game of Thrones
Posted by: pellaz - 05-15-2012, 07:56 PM - Forum: Movies - No Replies

Dont want to give anything away but
i am watching season 02 of the Game of Thrones. With reference to episode 07; what happened at the very end?

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  Hid the body...now what?
Posted by: TimmyThink - 05-13-2012, 09:54 PM - Forum: Everyday-Stories - Replies (7)

So do guys know the game where text you a random number "Hid the Body..now what" well about three days ago I got this text and 3 days later this person just text me back.

Random
Hid the Body....now what

Me
Burn the clothes and lay low

3 days later
Random
who is this

Me
You texted me first so who are you

Random
Blake

Me
Well I don't a Blake so, how did you get this number

Blake
You text me back saying Burn the Clothes

Me ( My internal dialogue)
Ah shit texted back a random number now this jackass has my number Hanged

I didn't text back after that, my lack of impulse control can be an annoying thing...ya know.

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  President Barack Obama
Posted by: East - 05-09-2012, 09:00 PM - Forum: Gay-News - Replies (20)

I want to thank Barack Obama today for becoming the first President to support the full equality for Gay People. Since he has taken office he has done more to advance the equality of GLBT people than all other Presidents combined but today he has taken a historic step and quite a political risk to support marriage equality.

He deserves our thanks, our respect...and our support. Bow

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  NC gay marriage + civil unions banned
Posted by: Miles - 05-09-2012, 06:30 AM - Forum: Gay-News - Replies (32)

U.S. news:

Linky

Quote:North Carolinians voted to change the state constitution Tuesday to say that the only valid "domestic legal partnership" in the state is marriage between a man and a woman, according to the AP's projection. The amendment passed 61 to 39 percent with most counties reporting, making North Carolina the 29th state with a gay marriage ban in its constitution.

The state already outlawed gay marriage, but the constitutional amendment makes it more difficult for politicians to ever change the law. The amendment also means that a handful of North Carolina municipalities that extended benefits to the domestic partners of their employees will no longer be able to do so, since marriage is now the only valid legal partnership in the state. Former President Bill Clinton urged the state's voters not to support the amendment in robocalls, while President Barack Obama's office said he was also against the change.

Supporters of gay marriage out-raised and out-advertised their opponents in the lead up to the vote, emphasizing in TV ads that the amendment could also have repercussions for unmarried straight couples because of its vague language. The anti-amendment coalition raised more than $2 million, according to campaign finance disclosures, most of which came from small and large individual donations. The pro-amendment crowd, called Vote for Marriage NC, raised a little more than $1 million, with most of the money being donated by nonprofit groups, not individuals.

Only 46 percent of voters realized that the amendment would ban civil unions for gay couples as well as marriage, according to a Public Policy Polling poll. A majority of North Carolina voters support civil unions.

Minnesota faces a ballot gay marriage ban in November, while Maine activists are hoping that residents have changed their minds and will vote to approve gay marriage this November after repealing its legalization in 2009. Lawmakers in Maryland, Washington and New Jersey passed laws legalizing same-sex marriage this year, though Gov. Chris Christie vetoed New Jersey's law.

Twat in a pot.

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  How not to break up?
Posted by: zippyBox - 04-28-2012, 11:34 PM - Forum: Everyday-Stories - Replies (12)

I was just in a pretty hurtful break up. It came out of nowhere and I still can't figure out exactly why it happened. I've tried fixing it (totally the wrong way) and it didn't turn out well.

I thought it would be cool to hear about some of your break up exploits and see if they are anywhere near as embarrassing as mine was.

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  Worst Sci fi Films
Posted by: Dan1980 - 04-24-2012, 10:01 PM - Forum: Movies - Replies (12)

Hi everyone what's the worst sci fi movie you have seen? Mine has to plan 9 from outer space. It's so bad that it's a cult movie.

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  Anti LGBT Demonstration
Posted by: Jay - 04-23-2012, 03:16 AM - Forum: World-News-Forum - Replies (8)

I wasn't aware that there was an anti LGBT demonstration in here on last Saturday.

There is no confirmation on how many people joined the demonstration. But it was more than 1000 people. One newspaper reported 1000. Another newspaper reported 3000.

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNe...41307.html

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